Ground-breaking: IMMORTALITY possible in 20 years?

[Anders™]

Well technically the title of the thread is a bit misleading. It gives the impression that immortality doesn't exist but it does in nature among few species.

We're obviously talking about humans here. Technologically enhanced life [immortality] will be quite the achievement, regardless of the fact that some fish already possess the immortality part genetically.

The Russian mogul has set in motion a plan to achieve cybernetic immortality within 33 years.
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Known as the '2045 initiative', Itskov and his team have laid out an ambitious time line that would see them transplant a brain in to an artificial body by 2020, the creation of an artificial brain by 2030 and the creation of a holographic body by 2040. The project's ultimate goal, tentatively scheduled for 2045, would be to transfer a human mind in to a holographic body.

Itskov recently wrote an open letter to several of the world's billionaires inviting them to finance what would essentially lead to their own immortality and offering to coordinate their own personal immortality projects for free.

["IRISH" RUFUS MURPHY]

Lots of people said that until such discoveries were made within their lifetime.




You're comparing the results of scientific experimentation of 1940 and 2012? You realize there is a huge gap of technological advancement within those 70 years? You're assuming that scientific advancements has not changed since 1940.




Never underestimate the curiosity of the human mind.




Scientists experiments for a reason, what benefit would making a human/ape hybrid ensure? By the way human cloning has been and currently most likely being experimented, so saying that it 'hasn't taken place' is erroneous.




Human life have been tampered since humans walk the Earth. Animals testing are widespread, don't kid yourself. Throwing out the human fetus card in this convo is interesting because you didn't connect it to your argument, I can only assume you're doing it because you have strong emotion that you want to talk about.

#1- TRUE, but those were scientifically feasible discoveries anyways, i.e. the vulcanisation process of rubber

#2- I am not comparing anything of the sort, I was simply laying out the facts that ethics and morality will come into play here, just as it did in those time periods

#3- I never underestimate anything; however there is no such thing as an original thought or hypothesis, most innovations of the 21st century can be credited to Nikola Tesla even though he did not invent the iPod, etc.

#4- Different time different mindset, coming from the mind of a sociopath (Josef Stalin, @ ape/human hybrids); erroneous, maybe, but the consequences for anyone having done so would be considered a crime against humanity and against the federal government, so therefore it is not worth doing unless that individual is certifiably insane or has no respect for law or ethics and morality; as for experimentation, I never said there was anything wrong with science, I am (again) talking about morals and ethics and laws that are transfixed in most world governments

#5- I never said that animal testing doesnt happen, what I was trying (in vain evidentially) to explain was that animals these days seem (that is the keyword) to have more rights than a human fetus; however it is illegal to place a patent (least in America) on human life. What you are insinuating is an entirely different matter altogether, but it is a debate I am keenly interested in taking up; still, what I was trying to show is that this man's work will never be applied to reality because of morals, ethics. Besides that, this man is relying on the hope that a cyborg body could ever be made, and that a true honest to Jesus hologram will be made as well. It is not going to happen in our life time or anyone else's because the technology is too far behind, and (again) it is an issue of what is moral and ethical. The question comes down to: Can you put a patent on human life, and what is human life in your opinion? For psychologists, it is when a human being is self aware of its own existence (around age two when they see their reflections in mirrors and know it is themselves), for others it is after birth, for many it is at conception.

[angra]

Only enlightened and wise people can become immortal, this isn't something that anyone can achieve. Only them can extract the forces and energies of the Universe to take them into their own bodies for healing and preservation, the cosmos are all we need just let your aura become one with the stars! AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Either that or do the simplest thing which is master Human photosynthesis in which we will be able to survive on sunlight and the natural energies that are all over this Planet full of live and rich in immortality vitamins. Who'd want to become a cyborg or have virtual ***, what kind of World of Warcraft-like civilians have we become?! It's a shame how anyone would want to live more and submit themselves to almost inhumane experiments which is that exactly, inhumane! We are humans for a reason, we have ***ual intercourse with our beloved one/s (hahahaha) we reproduce, we are born, we grow a human life and human experiences, we develop at our own pace and we live our own lives accordingly to what goals we have to set out to fulfill, and thus the extent of this life-span whichever it may be for any one of us individuals is to challenge our capabilities as a so called top-class creatures of Mother Earth. I don't want to live forever and especially not as a semi-machine, I want conserve my body as it is and even then I would want to die around the age of 73 as an old man with 12 children and 54 grandchildren. That, is life!

[FRazier]

IMMORTALITY: Here refers, what i think, no natural death... In other words you'll never gonna die of your own.
But what if i chop off your head or slice it into pieces ???

[Anders™]

IMMORTALITY: Here refers, what i think, no natural death...

Read the article.

[FRazier]

Read the article.

Read it already,
and i don't think that's immortality but replacement of human body parts and components with artificial ones..

[Nexus.]

I agree with FRazier. A life transferred to another being is just another life. It's not the same thing. You're not who you once were and you have to keep changing to try to stay alive. It's not like someone can just stay alive by replacing all their parts over and over again. Each time they do they eventually lose who they once were and dying out as a person all together. Just what I think anyways. You can debate amongst yourselves about it though.

[WaterDemon]

Alright, take it easy before I end up having to deleting posts.

[Registered User]

I've read through this entire thread eleven days late.

You see, I kind of agree with the fact that a 'brain transplant' would alter a person mentally. Personally speaking, I think it'd be a traumatic as fuck experience. Imagine looking in the mirror and expecting to see the same person you've seen for the last forty years - you. Instead you see a robot while your body - I emphasize, your body rots somewhere underground or in the hands of a scientist for donation of your organs. Imagine trying to speak and not hearing the same voice you've heard for the last forty years.

And that's not even tapping on the fact that you most likely wouldn't have hormones or anything of the sort. You'll be a shell of what you used to be, taking the humanity out of society and ruining the recipient of the procedure as a person. You wouldn't be physically capable of doing what you could before and that would ruin the spirit of many. I know that if I had spent ten years of my life taking Kung Fu just to have fucking screws come loose when I try to use it, I'd kill myself.

If I had this done to me, I'd spend a bit gathering a gun license, load it up, and blow six holes in to my artificial body.

[FRazier]

If I had this done to me, I'd spend a bit gathering a gun license, load it up, and blow six holes in to my artificial body.

That's the spirit ....
i would do the same, i would love to live rather than just surviving on stupid artificial things.
There would be no life with artificial ones.. duhh.