The Greatest Force in The Universe?

["IRISH" RUFUS MURPHY]

If you take away the notion to the religous and cultural teachings concerning the likeliness of a being known as 'God', what is the strongest force in the Universe?

Mind you, the 'law of gravity' holds much weight in this category since it's 'invention' by the English mathematician Isaac Newton in 1687; but if you was to ask Albert Einstein the question on the matter, he would say that Newton was wrong on alot of his principles, and he was proven to be correct, replacing Newton's original concept with the "theory of relativity."

But let's say for the sake of argument, that gravity will not be apart of this equation. What, then, is the strongest force in the universe?

Few things come to mind:

-Magnetism
-Atomic Energy


For my money, though, the strongest force in the universe (other than God and gravity) is the extremely rare and extremely dangerous form of energy known as antimatter. Imagine, if you will, an electron no longer being 'negative' and being a positive, a neutron being negative, etc and when that collides with 'normal' negative electrons and neutral neutrons, you get an explosion roughly alikened to that of an atomic bomb.

THAT, is antimatter. It is so rare in fact that a single milligram of the stuff is estimated to be worth $300 BILLION dollars.

In 1908 an explosion occured in Siberia that was originally thought to have been a meteor, that devestated 40 square miles of area, and could be heard from more than 300 miles away; so great was the explosion that siesmograph machines in the US even picked up on it. For two months after the fact the world witnessed strange twilights and sunsets that were undoubtedly caused by the impact.

It wasn't until the 1920's, however, that the site was finally examined, and even still to this day there is evidence of the destruction...one of the theories later on was that a good deal of antimatter collided with the earth, which is quite possible considering antimatter leaves a trace of radioactive carbon-14 and there has been evidence of carbon-14 levels being elevated at the site.

The incident was deemed the greatest explosion in earth's history, that is until the Hydrogen bomb was created...but even so, if it was antimatter that did the explosion at Siberia, as rare as it is, imagine a hydrogen bomb being filled with the material? There would be no planet earth.

[SIMMERING]

I will read into this a bit more later but the strongest force in the universe is
Murphys Law!!

[The Voice]

Antimatter contains no more energy than ordinary matter. It is only when the two of them come into contact with one another that pure energy is released. Therefore antimatter cannot be the greatest force in the universe.

As far as the question is concerned ... I guess I'll say spacetime is the greatest force in the universe. Everything in the known universe is ruled by it.

Granted, spacetime isn't a "force" in the typical sense of the word, but then neither is God. However, spacetime is often referred to as a "fabric," and we know that it can be warped by gravity (Newton's 3rd Law states: A force is a push or a pull upon an object which results from its interaction with another object). But as powerful as gravity can be--ie, black holes--it can only warp spacetime, not break it.

Or can it?








Neat thread btw.

[addie in main]

Mind, call it intelligence if you'd rather.

[UrbanTerrorist]

Haha. I didnt read the big ass post at all and I can already tell you the answer to end the debate. Its nature.

Originally Posted by addie in main

Mind, call it intelligence if you'd rather.

You couldnt be more wrong here if you tried. Intelligence can be broken and snapped like a twig quite easy.

["IRISH" RUFUS MURPHY]

As far as the question is concerned ... I guess I'll say spacetime is the greatest force in the universe. Everything in the known universe is ruled by it.

Granted, spacetime isn't a "force" in the typical sense of the word, but then neither is God. However, spacetime is often referred to as a "fabric," and we know that it can be warped by gravity (Newton's 3rd Law states: A force is a push or a pull upon an object which results from its interaction with another object). But as powerful as gravity can be--ie, black holes--it can only warp spacetime, not break it.

Or can it?

You're the only one I will even reply to, seemingly that you are the only one with a genuine basis for argument or agreement...I do think it is intriguing, and it just keeps bringing me back to the works of Nikola Tesla, who was decades ahead of his time.

Tesla proposed that a "wall of light" could be made by manipulating electromagnetic waves in a certain pattern, thus altering time, space, gravity and matter at will. It was his familiarity with electricty, magnetism, light (both as a particle and wave), as well as micro waves that made him come to this conclusion.

Tesla himself proposed a theory called dynamic gravity which later, as some come to believe, was the precursor to Einstein's Unified Field Theory. But he disagreed with Einstein in saying that space could be curved and stated that Einstein's "theory" was already discovered by a scientist and philosopher named Ruđer Bošković.

Tesla's theories more or less, though, were comparable to Mach's principle that gravity used electrodynamics consisting of transverse waves and longitudinal waves.

[CHERRYPIE]

Originally Posted by The Voice

Antimatter contains no more energy than ordinary matter. It is only when the two of them come into contact with one another that pure energy is released. Therefore antimatter cannot be the greatest force in the universe.

As far as the question is concerned ... I guess I'll say spacetime is the greatest force in the universe. Everything in the known universe is ruled by it.

Granted, spacetime isn't a "force" in the typical sense of the word, but then neither is God. However, spacetime is often referred to as a "fabric," and we know that it can be warped by gravity (Newton's 3rd Law states: A force is a push or a pull upon an object which results from its interaction with another object). But as powerful as gravity can be--ie, black holes--it can only warp spacetime, not break it.




or can it?




Neat thread by the way

I'll be totally honest I'm way out of my depth here Literature rather then science is my interest. But when you talk about Newton's 3rd law and forcing and warping space is this the same theory used in Star Trek? I have heard Astronomers and other space scientists talk about warping space to travel faster the light one guy even demonstated by folding a sheet of paper as if it was space. He marked one end A and the other end B then floded it like a corcentina till they were almost side by side. I would have thought that Black holes would have been the most powerful force as they could 'swallow up' galaxies but what happens at the center of the black hole? Anyway this is blowing my poor blond mind away interesting thread though guys.

Cherry

[The Voice]

Originally Posted by CHERRYPIE

I'll be totally honest I'm way out of my depth here Literature rather then science is my interest. But when you talk about Newton's 3rd law and forcing and warping space is this the same theory used in Star Trek? I have heard Astronomers and other space scientists talk about warping space to travel faster the light one guy even demonstated by folding a sheet of paper as if it was space. He marked one end A and the other end B then floded it like a corcentina till they were almost side by side. I would have thought that Black holes would have been the most powerful force as they could 'swallow up' galaxies but what happens at the center of the black hole? Anyway this is blowing my poor blond mind away interesting thread though guys.

Cherry

A recent Forum discussion pertaining to the nature of black holes can be found here: http://www.chat-avenue.com/forums/sh...ght=white+hole

Yes, the theory of Warp Drive is based on the principle that spacetime can be warped. In other words if you compress the space around your ship, your ship can be propelled through it faster.

This (theoretical) phenomena can be compared to squeezing water through your hand: Submerge your hand in water--just below the water's surface--then quickly make a fist. The water squirts up into the air. It doesn't need to have an engine attached to it to make it move.

Warp Drive is based on the same concept. Squeeze the space around you and you'll squirt through it faster than you would using typical methods of propulsion.

[The Voice]

Moved to SciTech Forum.

[74 Nova]

I'm not a star wars fan but... i'm pretty sure "the force" is the strongest force.. maybe the darkside.. i dunno