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Old 04-12-2008, 10:29 PM   #1
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Governor Opposes Gay Marriage Initiative


By ALLISON HOFFMAN,
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Posted: 2008-04-12 15:36:56

SAN DIEGO (April 12) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday that he would fight an initiative to amend the California Constitution to ban same-sex marriage if it qualifies for the November ballot.

Schwarzenegger has vetoed bills that would allow gay marriage but said he opposes the sort of amendments that are being proposed by two competing groups. Such amendments are already on the books in 26 states, but the governor said it would be a "waste of time" to pursue one in California.

"I will always be there to fight against that," Schwarzenegger said, prompting loud cheers and a standing ovation from about 200 people at the annual convention of the Log Cabin Republicans, the nation's largest gay Republican group.

The Austrian-born governor immediately cracked that he wished activists would instead focus on passing an amendment to allow naturalized citizens to run for president.

Both proposed initiatives would limit marriage to heterosexuals, and one measure would revoke the spousal rights and tax benefits currently extended to same-sex couples under state laws.

Schwarzenegger supports the current benefits for same-sex couples. In vetoing bills that would have legalized gay marriage, he has said he thinks the question should be up to voters or the courts, not lawmakers.

Geoffrey Kors, executive director of the gay rights group Equality California, said Schwarzenegger's opposition could help defeat a marriage ban or even prevent it from getting enough signatures to qualify for the ballot.

"We were thrilled. We have been asking him to do this," said Kors, whose group's volunteers have been working to persuade people not to sign petitions for the proposed initiative. "The governor's support to defeat it is critical."

Kors said Schwarzenegger's stand has precedent. In 1978, former Republican Gov. Ronald Reagan came out against a ballot initiative that would have made it illegal for gay men and lesbians to work as teachers in California public schools, an act that "made gay rights issues nonpartisan," Kors said.

Proponents of the initiatives said Schwarzenegger is risking the ire of conservative voters.

"He says he'll veto legislation redefining marriage but now he says he'll fight a ballot measure protecting marriage," said Randy Thomasson, of VoteYesMarriage.com, whose amendment would revoke domestic-partnership benefits including hospital visitation, community property and child support. "He's pandering to this group."

Andrew Pugno, a lawyer for ProtectMarriage.com, said the intention of his group's less far-reaching amendment was simply to keep the existing definition of marriage approved by the Legislature from being overturned by the courts.

Both groups have until April 28 to gather signatures from 694,354 voters to qualify the measures for the November election.

Schwarzenegger is a defendant in a group of lawsuits brought by same-sex couples seeking to overturn the state's longtime statutory ban on gay marriage. A ruling in the case is expected soon from the California Supreme Court.

Associated Press writer Lisa Leff in San Francisco contributed to this report.


Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

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Old 04-12-2008, 11:09 PM   #2
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Well, bye bye Shwarzee then.
Bold move;
Controversial moves like these could result in being Elected out of Office.
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I don't believe in gay marriages. They're a travesty. I've no problem with gay couples having rights if they're living together as a couple, and depending on who'll do it, a blessing to recognise their committment to one another.
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I don't believe in gay marriages. They're a travesty. I've no problem with gay couples having rights if they're living together as a couple, and depending on who'll do it, a blessing to recognise their committment to one another.
Are you talking about Gay MARRIAGES or Civil partnerships?

Or I am I being dense in thinking they aren't the same thing?

Dunnoo...

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Are you talking about Gay MARRIAGES or Civil partnerships?

Or I am I being dense in thinking they aren't the same thing?

Dunnoo...

I'm thinking of marriage in the traditional sense. Civil Partnerships are when two people live together. Maybe they should quit calling them gay marriages and stick to what they really are. Common Law relationships.
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I'm thinking of marriage in the traditional sense. Civil Partnerships are when two people live together. Maybe they should quit calling them gay marriages and stick to what they really are. Common Law relationships.

Yh gay marriage doesnt make sense.

Cos marriages are between a man and a woman.

Who I think have to be christened.
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I'm thinking of marriage in the traditional sense. Civil Partnerships are when two people live together. Maybe they should quit calling them gay marriages and stick to what they really are. Common Law relationships.
Yeh a civil partnership is kinda like a man and a woman living together unmarried right?
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Yeh a civil partnership is kinda like a man and a woman living together unmarried right?
You can get one with a Male aswell.
I think it works if you are trying to get someone a Visa...


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well, marriage usually (but not necessarily) implies a religious ceremony whereas a civil union would just recognize the legal rights of the gay couple.
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Yh gay marriage doesnt make sense.

Cos marriages are between a man and a woman.
That's how it's defined today in most places, but it hasn't always been like that. Same-sex marriages weren't unusual in Rome, even during Jesus' time.
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Who I think have to be christened.
lol. I don't know how it is in the UK, but over here any atheist couple or any person of any faith can wed in a Christian church.


On-topic: I think a consitutional ban on gay marriages is taking it to the extreme. We had an initiative like that in my state a few years back, and people voted to approve the ban. I don't think people should be allowed to "vote" whether to approve rights for other people.
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