Chess..or checkers?

SAINT JIMMEH · 06-30-2006, 11:53 PM

What do you think takes more talent and thought?

Personaly, i think chess takes more talent and thought..
I respect checkers takes thoguht but c/mon.. checkers can only move one way.. chess is much more complicated...
Thoughts?

Galahad{oc} · 07-01-2006, 01:08 AM

I think Chess is a harder game to learn.. But overall i don't think 1 takes anymore "skill" then the other.. The challenge is determined by how well the person your playing plays the game.. I don't think the question is anymore different then asking if Soccer or Table Tennis takes more talent and thought, but really it's impossible to make a fair comparison.. I would suspect that the game of chess takes more thought to learn, but once you know how to play the game then the thought and talent will be matched up against your opponents, no different to any other game..

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StubleU · 07-01-2006, 01:20 AM

GO is the ultimate game of thought...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29

07-01-2006, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by StubleU

GO is the ultimate game of thought...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29

This debate isn't about Go, though, now is it? You need talent to play each game, but the toughest overall is chess, in my opinion. I think it requires more thought for each player. Checkers doesn't require a lot of thought, but chess requires strategy and skill and a very high IQ. In other words, it's a game Chris, Jared, and Satan cannot play.

StubleU · 07-01-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by john_3847

This debate isn't about Go, though, now is it? You need talent to play each game, but the toughest overall is chess, in my opinion. I think it requires more thought for each player. Checkers doesn't require a lot of thought, but chess requires strategy and skill and a very high IQ. In other words, it's a game Chris, Jared, and Satan cannot play.

of course it isn't about Go...because they can't be compared to Go...

07-01-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by john_3847

This debate isn't about Go, though, now is it? You need talent to play each game, but the toughest overall is chess, in my opinion. I think it requires more thought for each player. Checkers doesn't require a lot of thought, but chess requires strategy and skill and a very high IQ. In other words, it's a game Chris, Jared, and Satan cannot play.

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Oh what the fuck... ._.

Under what reason to assume such thing. o_O;

I'm pretty damn good on Checkers and Chess, but my style is more of VG.

Thanks for your time, now go make another account and try to bash someone else, lowlife. xD

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King Bowzer · 07-01-2006, 01:46 AM

Whick takes more talent and thought . . . to do what? To learn? To play? Or to master? As for talent, I would say they both require the same amount of talent to master. When you can achieve a level of mastery at any game, a level higher than most people in the entire world can only dream of achieving, it takes talent. No matter what the game is. Chess requires more thought because there's more to think about.None of the games have been perfected, but the strongest checkers program (Chinook) can normally beat the best human players while 'thinking' for about 5 seconds per turn; whereas the strongest chess programs (deep fritz, shredder 9, deep junior, deep blue, etc.) are about par with the best human players, no matter what the time limit is. This demonstrates that, in chess, although there are many legal moves at any given point in the game, most of those moves can be overlooked right away as they will lead to a losing position; this allows more time to be devoted to analyzing better moves. In checkers, there are so fewer moves to analyze, this gives computers a better chance at winning as they can search ahead more efficiently than humans can.

Galahad{oc} · 07-01-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by King Bowzer

Whick takes more talent and thought . . . to do what? To learn? To play? Or to master? As for talent, I would say they both require the same amount of talent to master. When you can achieve a level of mastery at any game, a level higher than most people in the entire world can only dream of achieving, it takes talent. No matter what the game is. Chess requires more thought because there's more to think about.None of the games have been perfected, but the strongest checkers program (Chinook) can normally beat the best human players while 'thinking' for about 5 seconds per turn; whereas the strongest chess programs (deep fritz, shredder 9, deep junior, deep blue, etc.) are about par with the best human players, no matter what the time limit is. This demonstrates that, in chess, although there are many legal moves at any given point in the game, most of those moves can be overlooked right away as they will lead to a losing position; this allows more time to be devoted to analyzing better moves. In checkers, there are so fewer moves to analyze, this gives computers a better chance at winning as they can search ahead more efficiently than humans can.

Although much effort has gone in to programming computers to play Go, even the strongest programs are no better than an average club player, and would easily be beaten by a strong player even getting a nine-stone handicap. Strong players have even beaten computer programs at handicaps of twenty-five stones. Of course, strong players do not currently have much interest in computer Go programs as opponents, as they do not yet play well enough. This is attributed to many qualities of the game, including the "optimising" nature of the victory condition, the large number of legal moves, the large board size, the nonlocal nature of the Ko rule, and the high degree of pattern recognition involved. On the other hand, a chess-playing computer, Deep Blue, beat the world champion in 1997. For this reason, many in the field of artificial intelligence consider Go to be a better measure of a computer's capacity for thought than chess.

^^^^^From Wiki :]

That game looks interesting, an i have played games like Othello, but it's prolly a bit out of my league.. O_O;;..

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King Bowzer · 07-01-2006, 01:53 AM

I was comparing computer chess programs to computer checkers programs. Not to computer go programs. Of course go requires more thought than chess OR checkers.

Galahad{oc} · 07-01-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by King Bowzer

I was comparing computer chess programs to computer checkers programs. Not to computer go programs. Of course go requires more thought than chess OR checkers.

I know. I read your post, but what i just put in i had already copied before i seen your post and was thinking about putting it in regardless, but felt your post left a bigger opening for it.. ^_^;;..

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