Why All Drugs Should Be Legal

[balloftits]

1. The war on drugs does not stop drug usage. That much is obvious from society today.

Government cannot even keep drugs out of their jails, let alone in society at large.

It is a war that cannot be won. Humans have a demand to alter their mental state, and people will service that demand, legally or otherwise.

2. The war on drugs drives the price of drugs up around 6000-7000%, leading to increased home invasions from addicts wanting a fix. If drugs were legal, competition would quickly reduce the price to something anyone could afford.

3. Who gives you the right to tell someone what to put in their body? Are they directly harming anyone by smoking a joint?

4. Over half of the prison population is there due to drugs. Prisoners that we have to pay for, around £37,000 a year.

This also means rapists and killers, people who actually directly harm others, don't spend as long in jail because they are full of harmless stoners.

5. The demand for drugs is never going to go away. By making them illegal, you create gangs. Gangs only come about due to something being illegal. Gambling, prostitution, drugs, these services or products, if they are make illegal, will spawn real crime, like killing and stealing.

The people who will offer drugs on the black market will be the ones willing to kill, to steal.

Also, the black market means prices skyrocket, because a) the black market is smaller, therefore less competition and b) dealers take a risk providing this product, and want more compensation.

By allowing only these 'bad' people access to the distribution of drugs, you are funneling money to these people.

Look at tobacco, or alcohol. Do you see 'drug dealers' selling these products? No. Why? Because the market has it covered.

6. The only way to stop drugs is education. Tobacco use has been declining, due not to prohibition, but too education.

7. Illegal drugs makes them less safe. I would trust a pharmaceutical company, with their reputation on the line, and with good safety controls to make my heroin or whatever over some junkie in hs kitchen sink, who is probably high himself.

Legal drugs would result in decreased fatalities from overdoses and whatnot.

I am not condoning drugs. If I could, I would flip a switch and make them go away. But I can't.

Government banning or restricting anything, except one citizen using force on another, always has unintended consequences.

I do know for a fact, that the drug dealers, the smart ones, love drugs being illegal. They are probably the biggest supporters of it.

This is such an emotional issue, and harder drugs are often associated with crime, but this is due to their prohibition, not in spite of it.
Your thoughts ?

[Raymond James]

Originally Posted by balloftits

1. The war on drugs does not stop drug usage. That much is obvious from society today.

Government cannot even keep drugs out of their jails, let alone in society at large.

It is a war that cannot be won. Humans have a demand to alter their mental state, and people will service that demand, legally or otherwise.

2. The war on drugs drives the price of drugs up around 6000-7000%, leading to increased home invasions from addicts wanting a fix. If drugs were legal, competition would quickly reduce the price to something anyone could afford.

3. Who gives you the right to tell someone what to put in their body? Are they directly harming anyone by smoking a joint?

4. Over half of the prison population is there due to drugs. Prisoners that we have to pay for, around £37,000 a year.

This also means rapists and killers, people who actually directly harm others, don't spend as long in jail because they are full of harmless stoners.

5. The demand for drugs is never going to go away. By making them illegal, you create gangs. Gangs only come about due to something being illegal. Gambling, prostitution, drugs, these services or products, if they are make illegal, will spawn real crime, like killing and stealing.

The people who will offer drugs on the black market will be the ones willing to kill, to steal.

Also, the black market means prices skyrocket, because a) the black market is smaller, therefore less competition and b) dealers take a risk providing this product, and want more compensation.

By allowing only these 'bad' people access to the distribution of drugs, you are funneling money to these people.

Look at tobacco, or alcohol. Do you see 'drug dealers' selling these products? No. Why? Because the market has it covered.

6. The only way to stop drugs is education. Tobacco use has been declining, due not to prohibition, but too education.

7. Illegal drugs makes them less safe. I would trust a pharmaceutical company, with their reputation on the line, and with good safety controls to make my heroin or whatever over some junkie in hs kitchen sink, who is probably high himself.

Legal drugs would result in decreased fatalities from overdoses and whatnot.

I am not condoning drugs. If I could, I would flip a switch and make them go away. But I can't.

Government banning or restricting anything, except one citizen using force on another, always has unintended consequences.

I do know for a fact, that the drug dealers, the smart ones, love drugs being illegal. They are probably the biggest supporters of it.

This is such an emotional issue, and harder drugs are often associated with crime, but this is due to their prohibition, not in spite of it.
Your thoughts ?

Well one thing would be the massive amount of appeals from every drug addict, boss and dealer in the country, its a stupid idea.

[balloftits]

What a well thought out reply

[Execution]

When I saw this thread title, I was like, "yes. fuck yes."

It's hard finding people like you that believe we actually should have the right to our own state of mind.

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by Execution

It's hard finding people like you that believe we actually should have the right to our own state of mind.

Wouldn't really be your own state of mind since it was altered by an exterior source.

Drugs should be made legal in my opinion for the reasons stated. Though, this isn't to say I think people should take drugs or that it's right to do so. Quite the opposite, actually.

The government will never be able to control people's private lives, and they shouldn't... The more they try the closer they come to destruction, and the more dependent they are on the control that is only slightly outside their grasp. People have minds, and they should be able to decide what they put in their bodies. The money spent on attempting to stop drug use should be spent on education about its effects and risks... The taxes from legal drugs could also be used for this as well. Many countries have legal drug policies and they did not turn into dirty slums.

[Fearless™]

Originally Posted by balloftits

1. The war on drugs does not stop drug usage. That much is obvious from society today.

it may not be stopping it, but at least it is putting some sort of control on drug usage. If we don't have these preventative measures, then you would find the situation a whole lot worse.

Government cannot even keep drugs out of their jails, let alone in society at large.

It is a war that cannot be won. Humans have a demand to alter their mental state, and people will service that demand, legally or otherwise.

But we are talking about a comparison here are we not? Sure, gov. can't stop it 100%, but you cannot say that 0 progress has been made. The point isn't about trying to keep EVERYONE off of drugs...it's about helping as much ppl as you can...Those who go out of their way to get their hands on w/e drugs obviously aren't the target group for these protective measures. (if that makes sense)

2. The war on drugs drives the price of drugs up around 6000-7000%, leading to increased home invasions from addicts wanting a fix. If drugs were legal, competition would quickly reduce the price to something anyone could afford.

The high prices are a way of making sure that not everyone can, or will be able to get their hands on them. If the price drops after it has been made legal, then anyone can have access to them...which would mean an increase in drug-related problems...More people will find themselves addicted and out of control, etc.

Also, price isn't the only factor here. It's about supply and demand. Even if the prices drop, after a few years, there probably won't be as much drugs available, which would push up the prices again.

3. Who gives you the right to tell someone what to put in their body? Are they directly harming anyone by smoking a joint?

Ever heard of second hand smoking? It's actually more harmful than first hand smoking because umm...I think when you exhale, you're also breathing out all the bad stuff that's in your body...so whoever is unfortunate enough to be standing next to you, will have to inhale all of those toxins as well.
And you are making this sound like...as if drugs are sweets...Drugs are extremely dangerous substances...I don't think it's right for the gov. to just let us do whatever we want, because we will only end up hurting ourselves. The gov...are like...parents. We are like their children...parents are suppose to look after their children and stop them from harming themselves.

4. Over half of the prison population is there due to drugs. Prisoners that we have to pay for, around £37,000 a year.

Umm...I'm pretty sure that those prisoners are there not because they were druggies, but because they smoked the drugs, which made them high/hyper/whatever...and that made them do stupid, reckless things like...idk...murder, etc. So those prisoners are there because they committed a crime while they were under the influence of narcotics...which is why drugs should NOT be made legal...because it will just INCREASE the crime rates etc.

This also means rapists and killers, people who actually directly harm others, don't spend as long in jail because they are full of harmless stoners.

If they were truly harmless, then they would never have committed those crimes. Why the heck would you want to free rapists and murderers?

5. The demand for drugs is never going to go away. By making them illegal, you create gangs. Gangs only come about due to something being illegal. Gambling, prostitution, drugs, these services or products, if they are make illegal, will spawn real crime, like killing and stealing.

If they are made legal, it will spawn real crime even more. By making drugs legal, the demand for them will be even higher...and there will always be competition...so that means...gangs will STILL exist, etc.

The people who will offer drugs on the black market will be the ones willing to kill, to steal.

Your point?

Also, the black market means prices skyrocket, because a) the black market is smaller, therefore less competition and b) dealers take a risk providing this product, and want more compensation.

Refer to my first statement about supply and demand.

By allowing only these 'bad' people access to the distribution of drugs, you are funneling money to these people.

So you think by making drugs legal, the 'bad guys' will just leave their terretories and go live a honest life?
Dude...whoever is in control of the drug trades now, will still be in control when they are made legal.

Look at tobacco, or alcohol. Do you see 'drug dealers' selling these products? No. Why? Because the market has it covered.

Because they don't make as much money... And I can't believe you're actually promoting the use of drugs...They're not like alchohol or cigarrettes...

6. The only way to stop drugs is education. Tobacco use has been declining, due not to prohibition, but too education.

And it is clearly evident that education doesn't work on everyone...that is why we need other preventative measures to stop drugs...i.e. by making them illegal.

7. Illegal drugs makes them less safe. I would trust a pharmaceutical company, with their reputation on the line, and with good safety controls to make my heroin or whatever over some junkie in hs kitchen sink, who is probably high himself.

o.O are you kidding me? Drugs...no matter if they're legal or not, will always be considered as...umm...something bad. So...majority of the ppl would not go to a pharmacist asking for heroine, because it might destroy their reputations. Therefore, those people will STILL go to a dealer to get their hands on the drugs because they can keep themselves anonymous.

Legal drugs would result in decreased fatalities from overdoses and whatnot.

Trust me...if you're hooked, you're hooked. By making the drugs legal will only increase the overdose situation.

I am not condoning drugs. If I could, I would flip a switch and make them go away. But I can't.

Are you stoned?

Government banning or restricting anything, except one citizen using force on another, always has unintended consequences.

So let us just make everything legal then...

I do know for a fact, that the drug dealers, the smart ones, love drugs being illegal. They are probably the biggest supporters of it.

That. Made. Me. Laugh. Out. Loud.

This is such an emotional issue, and harder drugs are often associated with crime, but this is due to their prohibition, not in spite of it.
Your thoughts ?

I just said my thoughts. lol.

[Vicki Lynn]

I'm totally for marijuana being legal, but that's it. Stuff like cocaine, heroin, crack, LSD, etc. are disgusting.

[Execution]

Originally Posted by [A]nthrax

Wouldn't really be your own state of mind since it was altered by an exterior source.

I meant the right to alter your own state of mind. Sorry, I should have phrased that differently.

Fearless, I'm not criticizing you, but replies generally make a lot more sense if you don't break up what someone is saying so much and instead take them as a paragraph or couple of paragraphs at a time. I'm just saying...

[Fearless™]

Originally Posted by Execution

I meant the right to alter your own state of mind. Sorry, I should have phrased that differently.

Fearless, I'm not criticizing you, but replies generally make a lot more sense if you don't break up what someone is saying so much and instead take them as a paragraph or couple of paragraphs at a time. I'm just saying...

I do take them as a paragraph