Atheism Vs. Religion

[Heart_Less_One]

As an atheist myself who strongly does not believe in "religions", I was wondering if anyone shared the same view, or on the other hand the exact opposite view and therefore your view towards "Atheism". Before you read any further I intend no offense towards anyone who believes in any religion, these are just my points of view and opinions, which I am rightfully allowed to express, and please, you would be making a big mistake if you try to convert me.

Of course we all know, religion is "by choice" our belief, yet that choice is for the majority of people not brought into the equation, that referring to the millions of new born being brought into a religion from birth; sure I can understand the parents and family may have faith in that religion, but really I think bringing a child up with religion as apart of their normal daily life is just plainly wrong.

It's easy to understand that such a fragile mind will append what is taught to them from their parents, it's a bond we all have at that age, and so I believe that by bringing a child up in such a life is really a breach of that so called "choice".

Following on with the "choice" aspect, there are those who will go door to door actually trying to convert you, again I can understand them truely believing in their religion and wanting others too, once again though that is a breach of choice, at the end of the day it should be you and you alone who makes the choice, and not be pestered by any party to consider 1 option or the other.

Of course though, there are a number of religions, mostly all have similarities, but what really gets me is the "sections" of religions, for example: Christians and Protestants within Christianity, it's the same religion but the beliefs are slightly altered? I truely do not get that, nor can I begin to comprehend the actual construct of the idea, how can you believe in a religion which has a choice of beliefs to follow?

Most will say that religion is a way of life, a sort of guideline set down, which is fine really, aslong as the guidelines are socially applicable.

Then you lead the major problem with religions, which is of course wars and conflicts, it's instinct to fight for what you believe, and therefore if anything threatens these you will rebel against it, and in some cases this can lead to massive wars, I don't really need to give any examples on that; of course the counter side is that so many stick by their beliefs and lead a quiet life, which is fine really, it doesn't affect anyone so why fuss over it.

[Gabriel]

Glad you posted this.

Originally Posted by Heart_Less_One

Of course we all know, religion is "by choice" our belief, yet that choice is for the majority of people not brought into the equation, that referring to the millions of new born being brought into a religion from birth; sure I can understand the parents and family may have faith in that religion, but really I think bringing a child up with religion as apart of their normal daily life is just plainly wrong.

Religion introduces good morals that society sees as acceptable, therefore benifiting the child in society, proving that it isn't wrong. And if no religion is introduced into the child's life he is susceptible to anything. Better to start out knowing religion before claiming to be atheist. For is that not ignorance, which is shunned by society?

Originally Posted by Heart_Less_One

It's easy to understand that such a fragile mind will append what is taught to them from their parents, it's a bond we all have at that age, and so I believe that by bringing a child up in such a life is really a breach of that so called "choice".

At that age, they need to have some morals, as I stated. And again as I stated they should know the religion they are shunning, otherwise this is ignorance. Also, choice is a privilege that is earned with time.

Originally Posted by Heart_Less_One

Following on with the "choice" aspect, there are those who will go door to door actually trying to convert you, again I can understand them truely believing in their religion and wanting others too, once again though that is a breach of choice, at the end of the day it should be you and you alone who makes the choice, and not be pestered by any party to consider 1 option or the other.

They have the choice to do so, and if you shun them you are exposing insecurity. Again - Know what you are against. How can you accept a religion when you don't know it's beliefs? And you do not know their beliefs and I will prove this in a minute.

Originally Posted by Heart_Less_One

Of course though, there are a number of religions, mostly all have similarities, but what really gets me is the "sections" of religions, for example: Christians and Protestants within Christianity, it's the same religion but the beliefs are slightly altered? I truely do not get that, nor can I begin to comprehend the actual construct of the idea, how can you believe in a religion which has a choice of beliefs to follow?

1.) Different interpetations.
2.) Different ways of perceiving ideas logically.
3.) Protestants don't believe in papal authority.


But, some protestants are very different from Catholics. Though Catholics were the first Christian sect. (Though Orthodox Church members could claim the same thing validly, if that makes sense.)

Originally Posted by Heart_Less_One

Then you lead the major problem with religions, which is of course wars and conflicts, it's instinct to fight for what you believe, and therefore if anything threatens these you will rebel against it, and in some cases this can lead to massive wars, I don't really need to give any examples on that; of course the counter side is that so many stick by their beliefs and lead a quiet life, which is fine really, it doesn't affect anyone so why fuss over it.

There's a difference here though between extremeists and religious war heros. Example of religious war heros would be Joan of Arc, David of the old testament, etc. These people have had personal divine revelation to them, whereas extremeists have not, hence, why they fail and are in violation of morality. Which then would not be a problem of religion, but of the individuals.

[pladecalvo]

Christians,

Read, study and digest.

http://hamsa.org/jesus-history4.htm

[Calaba]

thank you noob..... not that any of them will read it reppies to you

“Jesus has become a bin into which a theologian can cast his own notions.”

that sums it all up

[King Adrian]

It's true, the middle east came up with religion and terrorism.

It's the perfect way to kill society. Self-conflicts ;D

Jews? Christianity? Muslim? All from the middle east, I hate them, I just do, I hope they blow up. I hate them so much, I hope their so called GOD can eat their heads off.

That's all.

And they're ugly, poor, smelly, dirty, crazy, lice-infested, and very stupid.

M'kai ... Did I mention I hate them to the core? I like kicking their babies on face during my pass time.

Lulz, The only religion that is left out are the Asians, Buddhists and Shinto things. And they live rather okay (Their economy is high rocketing thanks to NO WAR and stupid religion and crazy Talibans UGHH).

See? Anything to do with the middle east turns to evil things, So when you see a towel head that passed by, kick their shins and spit on their face.

T'is all, they're crazy, I hate them.

Hate hate hate hate, All they do is make more problems. Why can't they just die so they can go to GOD and leave us innocent (to a certain degree) people alone.

Pfft .. Die Middle east, die.

[ßäbý ®ü±h]

Brat.

What ethnicity are you?

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by King Adrian

It's true, the middle east came up with religion and terrorism.

Nope! Try the Christian Crusades and the Inquisition.

And they're ugly, poor, smelly, dirty, crazy, lice-infested, and very stupid.

You've obviously never been there.

Did I mention I hate them to the core? I like kicking their babies on face during my pass time.

Mmmm! Ever thought of seeking professional help for your problem?

See? Anything to do with the middle east turns to evil things,

Hardly! If it wasn't for the ancient civilisations of the Middle East, Western Civilisation wouldn't be where it is today. The Middle East was the cradle of civilisation.

T'is all, they're crazy, I hate them.

Hate hate hate hate, All they do is make more problems. Why can't they just die so they can go to GOD and leave us innocent (to a certain degree) people alone.

Methinks you paint with too broad a brush!

[Allen]

Originally Posted by King Adrian

It's true, the middle east came up with religion and terrorism.

It's the perfect way to kill society. Self-conflicts ;D

Wrong.

Modern day evolutionist believe that humanoids were quarreling with each other long before religious beliefs.

As this is shown in the development of offerings and special graves as humanoids evolved.

Originally Posted by King Adrian

M'kai ... Did I mention I hate them to the core? I like kicking their babies on face during my pass time.

That's what is wrong with atheism. It creates greed and greed causes war more than anything as you look back in history.

Originally Posted by King Adrian

Lulz, The only religion that is left out are the Asians, Buddhists and Shinto things. And they live rather okay (Their economy is high rocketing thanks to NO WAR and stupid religion and crazy Talibans UGHH).

No, their economy is rocketing because they manufacture at second and third world cost and sell to the west at first world prices. Japan for example, we went in and leveled the place.. then American tax payers subsidized new Japanese business.. and we bought their product.

After all, none of these countries need to declare war when they have the UN to force the united states to fight the wars for them.



The middle east is part of Asian.

http://www.asianews.it/files/img/asia_b.jpg


100 years ago they were just camel jockies running around the desert fighting tribal wars. White men then realized the area was rich in oil.. things all changed.. Instead of swords they now can afford thousands of ak-47's. The middle east knows they're built on oil as we see how some countries are changing their economics to tax exempt metropolitan areas to draw in big corporate business after their oil dries up.

Originally Posted by King Adrian

T'is all, they're crazy, I hate them.

Hate hate hate hate, All they do is make more problems. Why can't they just die so they can go to GOD and leave us innocent (to a certain degree) people alone.

Pfft .. Die Middle east, die.

Innocent people don't encourage hate so much

Hate divides us. This is what the atheist big wigs want us to do.

[Matteh MoO MoO]

People are baffled to see me not believing in God. Not believing is simply like not believing in Zeus, Apollo or Pluto. I just take it one God further. So in a way, where all Atheist.

Anywho:

Religion also has it's bad morals. We don't listen to EVERYTHING in the Bible. We pick and choose. So obviously there's some kind of unconscious reference that allows us to decide upon the select morals. In society, in order to survive as social beings there is some code amongst us to allow us to work cooperatively. Kind of a You scratch my back I scratch yous kind of thing. You can see the same system amongst other primates, dolphins, and wolves. We took this and simply interrupted it at a more advanced level. Morals constantly change through time and changes. Slavery is now wrong, which it wasn't always. Women are seen, for the most part, as equals. Human beings just as males. You see, if we stay on old time morals we never grow as a species. We would be extinct.

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by Allen

That's what is wrong with atheism. It creates greed and greed causes war more than anything as you look back in history.

Care to back up your statement that atheism causes greed...which in turn causes wars....with some evidence, or was it just a general, misinformed, bigoted statement?