Satanism: The feared religion.

[Nikolas]

For many in today’s society satanic culture can easily be interpreted as anti-social and even ‘gothic’ behaviour and a negative aspect on society. Today’s media spins and ties Satanism as about self destruction and destruction of others.The black arts, casting spells with the intention to cause harm to others and obtain what they cant normally obtain in life, hanging out in graveyards, killing animals and just about every other satanic cliché you can think of.

Many of us are unaware that true satanic culture does not revolve around so much of that.

I guess the question in the debate is: Does the Satanic religion get a bad press and hence fundamentally oppressed without proper reasoning and understanding.

If we were more educated on the subject of Satanism, would people start to see the world for what it is?

Satanism certainly has nothing to do with the prevailing Judeo-Christian out look of altruism and self-sacrifice and thus can seem quite alien and frightening to one brought up in that world view.

Realistically the satanic code of behaviour is based on human nature as it is and thus comes naturally to most people who have not been deeply indoctrinated in anti life and anti rational belief systems.

As you may discover, there are no elements of ‘devil worshipping in true satanic culture. Such practices are looked upon as being Christian heresies believing in the dualistic Christian world view of "God Vs the devil."

True Satanic culture suggests that there is no super natural power in neither God nor the devil.

Satanic culture represents indulgence instead of abstinence. Why would God want us to obstain in life anyway? He gave us the nature! Why would God wish to toy with us?

It represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams. We were put here on earth with the instinct to hunt and love and populate the earth. That’s our true nature. Where does God fit in? Why won’t he nurture our behaviour?

Satanic culture represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit. We should all come to our own conclusions in life. Instead we are intimidated into believing we will burn in hell for eternity if we do not follow. That or we choose to hide and stick our head in the sand. "God will protect us all."

Is all this so bad? Is this what the Catholic/Christian churches hide us from? Is this truly evil. One must ask.. And decide.

[Gorgoroth]

I am a satanist myself. um yes satanism can be bad depending on the person, and what form of a satanism they are. the basic form of satanism which is is "traditional satanism isn't really bad. and the fom of satanism LaVeyan satanism isn't bad - these are the most common forms of satanism, which are full of matur people and families of all ages.....yes some choose to be anti - social and some don't. - but that isn't a satanc belief, that's just the person is anti - social. Then there is satanism which really isn't referd to as satanism which is the devil worshipers (this name has nothing to do that they are bad cause they worship satan). These people are usually teens that want to rebel against society and probably their parents so they do unspeakable acts. They aren't even really organized into a religion.

[Damien (AKA AUSSIE)]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

For many in today’s society satanic culture can easily be interpreted as anti-social and even ‘gothic’ behaviour and a negative aspect on society. Today’s media spins and ties Satanism as about self destruction and destruction of others.The black arts, casting spells with the intention to cause harm to others and obtain what they cant normally obtain in life, hanging out in graveyards, killing animals and just about every other satanic cliché you can think of.

Many of us are unaware that true satanic culture does not revolve around so much of that.

I guess the question in the debate is: Does the Satanic religion get a bad press and hence fundamentally oppressed without proper reasoning and understanding.

If we were more educated on the subject of Satanism, would people start to see the world for what it is?

Satanism certainly has nothing to do with the prevailing Judeo-Christian out look of altruism and self-sacrifice and thus can seem quite alien and frightening to one brought up in that world view.

Realistically the satanic code of behaviour is based on human nature as it is and thus comes naturally to most people who have not been deeply indoctrinated in anti life and anti rational belief systems.

As you may discover, there are no elements of ‘devil worshipping in true satanic culture. Such practices are looked upon as being Christian heresies believing in the dualistic Christian world view of "God Vs the devil."

True Satanic culture suggests that there is no super natural power in neither God nor the devil.

Satanic culture represents indulgence instead of abstinence. Why would God want us to obstain in life anyway? He gave us the nature! Why would God wish to toy with us?

It represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams. We were put here on earth with the instinct to hunt and love and populate the earth. That’s our true nature. Where does God fit in? Why won’t he nurture our behaviour?

Satanic culture represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit. We should all come to our own conclusions in life. Instead we are intimidated into believing we will burn in hell for eternity if we do not follow. That or we choose to hide and stick our head in the sand. "God will protect us all."

Is all this so bad? Is this what the Catholic/Christian churches hide us from? Is this truly evil. One must ask.. And decide.

I completely agree with this statement, it is the stereotype so called Satanist that makes the rest look like wacko’s e.g. sacrificing human or animal. You still have to watch out for the stereotypes because correct me if Im wrong, even true Satanist’s don’t believe what there doing is right or otherwise they just plain dont care aslong it doesnt happen to someone close to them.
As you explained, it's just people entering the god vs Satan argument which Christian believers don’t want any part off because they don’t believe there is an argument to start with, its god all the way and that's all there is too it for them.

Originally Posted by Gorgoroth

I am a satanist myself. um yes satanism can be bad depending on the person, and what form of a satanism they are. the basic form of satanism which is is "traditional satanism isn't really bad. and the fom of satanism LaVeyan satanism isn't bad - these are the most common forms of satanism, which are full of matur people and families of all ages.....yes some choose to be anti - social and some don't. - but that isn't a satanc belief, that's just the person is anti - social. Then there is satanism which really isn't referd to as satanism which is the devil worshipers (this name has nothing to do that they are bad cause they worship satan). These people are usually teens that want to rebel against society and probably their parents so they do unspeakable acts. They aren't even really organized into a religion.

I "sortof" know of the teenage satanist's you are describing, teenage wannabe satanist can dangerous because some would believe in order to be deemed satanist you must create destruction an any way possible (including extreme harm to other's) when infact it mostly has to do with your belief's and look upon the world.

I found it funny satanist's can be quite nice aslong as you dont go on about god and how great he is. you wouldn't know if someone was a satanist and thats the reason why there are no stats on how many satanist's are out there.

[Gabriel]

Luciferians (Theistic Satanists) have been around longer than the philosophical Laveyan type satanists, and these are the people the Catholic Church has a problem with. These are the ones who have been known to make sacrifices, human and animal alike. And don't tell me they don't do it because we find bodies out here of skinned dogs, cats, etc. pertaining to a religious cult all the time. And Satanists say something along the lines of:

"Angels; the Ugly Truth:
Many are fooled into believing these entities are benevolent, innocent and positive. In truth, they are nefarious alien beings whose sole purpose is to prevent humanity from acquiring any power of mind that would enable us to defend ourselves and our planet and to destroy us all"


"Copy of a Catholic Confession Primer:
This exposes the hatred the Christian "god" has for anything of human nature"


They always single out Catholics, and the Catholics say, "Satan mimics God."

Clearly shows in the Satanic culture.

However, Catholics acknowledge magick, we know it exists. We know spells, curses, etc. exist. But we see them as selfish, silly, and worked through demons. And we know miracles can only be worked through God. Therefore, this magic/k, is just again mimicking the true power.

[!F £ ỳ B ǿ ỳ!]

Originally Posted by FiveSixFour

Hahaha. A satanist yourself? F-ucking fagget! Have you nothing better to do than try to grab attention by pretending that you are some sort of dark cool satan worshiper? Omg, you really suck. Go and pretend IRL about how your religion is supressed and feared etc oh wait you'd get laughed at lol

F@G

wow/ but what a religion scarey/im with jesus all the way

[Gorgoroth]

Originally Posted by FiveSixFour

Hahaha. A satanist yourself? F-ucking fagget! Have you nothing better to do than try to grab attention by pretending that you are some sort of dark cool satan worshiper? Omg, you really suck. Go and pretend IRL about how your religion is supressed and feared etc oh wait you'd get laughed at lol

F@G

To this guy. How the hell is being a Satanist grabbing attention? And I'm not trying to be some "dark, cool, satan worshiper", I don't ever remember satanism being "cool", most people hate us just for exsiting, so I haven't a ****ing clue what you mean when you say "dark, cool, Satan Worshiper". Really, this is the reason I hate teenagers, cause they are so closed minded like yourself,... and I don't go about bitching about how we don't have rights cause everyone loves jesus. I was simply telling this person info about Satanism to help his questions on this post, and here is some immature kid who has his head too far up his ass to see the point I'm making. So instead of trying to be the smart ass in front of everyone, just send me a message if you truly don't like what I have written. And people wonder why satanists can be so hateful towards people,....... right in front of your eyes people.

[Gorgoroth]

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Luciferians (Theistic Satanists) have been around longer than the philosophical Laveyan type satanists, and these are the people the Catholic Church has a problem with. These are the ones who have been known to make sacrifices, human and animal alike. And don't tell me they don't do it because we find bodies out here of skinned dogs, cats, etc. pertaining to a religious cult all the time. And Satanists say something along the lines of:

"Angels; the Ugly Truth:
Many are fooled into believing these entities are benevolent, innocent and positive. In truth, they are nefarious alien beings whose sole purpose is to prevent humanity from acquiring any power of mind that would enable us to defend ourselves and our planet and to destroy us all"


"Copy of a Catholic Confession Primer:
This exposes the hatred the Christian "god" has for anything of human nature"


They always single out Catholics, and the Catholics say, "Satan mimics God."

Clearly shows in the Satanic culture.

However, Catholics acknowledge magick, we know it exists. We know spells, curses, etc. exist. But we see them as selfish, silly, and worked through demons. And we know miracles can only be worked through God. Therefore, this magic/k, is just again mimicking the true power.

And to answer to the catholic person,....I'm not going to deny those things have happened, cause they have. I am going to speak for two sides right now, satanists that do agree with sacraficing, and satanists that don't agree with sacraficing. First, I will start with the satanists who agree with sacraficing. About the sacraficing, in satanism, this isn't a must to do, we just feel that this has been done in many religions in the past including christianity, and we feel that we shouldn't have to stop doing an ancient tradition because of modern morals in society... that have no affect on us, so we aren't going to stop a tradition cause others think of it as "cruel" when it has been done many times in the past as a normal thing by other religions including "christianity"........Especially since we are taught to believe to only care about what you think is right instead of what others think.
And I will now speak for satanists who don't agree with sacraficing.(I personally don't agree with sacraficing) it's not that we don't agree with it cause we think it's "evil", it's because we think it's useless to kill something for satan when we really don't believe killing some harmless, powerless animal is going to impress satan. You have to understand, that we don't believe satan is some red guy with a pitchfork, we just believe he is a rebelious fallen angel, who is to take vengence against the bazzare rules of god.
I already know what I'm writing isn't going to impress the catholic at all cause they are so scared of "hell" that they are too afraid to agree with a satanist. And by the way catholic person, many religions has something that has a bad stereotype about them, ex: catholics molest little children, Muslims are terrorists........and if you meet one and try and rub those things in their face thay will just say that they have no part of it, just as I don't with the bad things that have been done in satanism, and most satanists will say the same thing I have right now. But of course you're always going to run into a poser Manson loving teen, who trys to scare people by doing these bad acts that people remember about us.

[The Voice]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

For many in today’s society satanic culture can easily be interpreted as anti-social and even ‘gothic’ behaviour and a negative aspect on society. Today’s media spins and ties Satanism as about self destruction and destruction of others.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but this seems a little backwards to me. Don't most young people embrace Satanism because they're antisocial? I find that people gravitate to "the dark side" (for lack of a better expression) because they don't fit in. If the majority of these young people didn't have this religion, then they would find some other way of expressing their angst.

Case in point, I only see white people embracing Satanism. What do minorities do?--they join gangs. Both have their codes, rules of conduct, etc ... but ultimately, does that makes any difference to 99% of the teens who join? No. They don't fit into the greater society (for various reasons) and just want to belong to something.

[Gorgoroth]

Originally Posted by The Voice

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but this seems a little backwards to me. Don't most young people embrace Satanism because they're antisocial? I find that people gravitate to "the dark side" (for lack of a better expression) because they don't fit in. If the majority of these young people didn't have this religion, then they would find some other way of expressing their angst.

Case in point, I only see white people embracing Satanism. What do minorities do?--they join gangs. Both have their codes, rules of conduct, etc ... but ultimately, does that makes any difference to 99% of the teens who join? No. They don't fit into the greater society (for various reasons) and just want to belong to something.

You are right, many teens embrace satanism as apart of their angst. However, they usually aren't really satanist, they go around searching for attention by showing off pentagrams and upside sown crosses to show that they are mad at society. And this is why I don't like teen satanists, cause it's not for satanism, it's just for their ways of coping with things. If you ever meet a 40 yr old satanist, it's completly opposite, they are usually calm and mature, and practice what they preach. Usually teen satanists do use satanism just to belong to something, and his would better fit the Laveyan Satanists, cause they don't believe satan exsists, they just use him as a symbol or a mascot.

To get at you about satanists being white people. Yes, white people seem to be big in numbers in satanism. But every religion has it's majority of a race. Ex: Hinduism, is indians, Muslisms are usually middle easterners, and jews are usually hebrews. But satanism does have other races even though the majority are white. My 2 best freinds are satanists and one is from austria, but born in Iran, and he's Asyrian, and my other best friend is Mexican,........let me remimd you that they are real satanists, and not teens wanting to belong to something.
But yes you did make a point though.

[The Voice]

Originally Posted by Gorgoroth

You are right, many teens embrace satanism as apart of their angst. However, they usually aren't really satanist, they go around searching for attention by showing off pentagrams and upside sown crosses to show that they are mad at society. And this is why I don't like teen satanists, cause it's not for satanism, it's just for their ways of coping with things. If you ever meet a 40 yr old satanist, it's completly opposite, they are usually calm and mature, and practice what they preach. Usually teen satanists do use satanism just to belong to smoething, and his would better fit the Laveyan Satanists, cause they don't believe satan exsists, they just use him as a symbol or a mascot.

Well I won't deny my ignorance ... I've never met a 40 yr old Satanist!

Originally Posted by Gorgoroth

To get at you about satanists being white people. Yes, white people seem to be big in numbers in satanism. But every religion has it's majority of a race. Ex: Hinduism, is indians, Muslisms are usually middle easterners, and jews are usually hebrews. But satanism does have other races even though the majority is white. My 2 best freinds are satanists and one is from austria, but born in Iran, and he's Asyrian, and my other best friend is Mexican,........let me remimd you that they are real satanists, and not teens wanting to belong to something.
But yes you did make a point though.

Again, I know little about the subject. But you really cannot compare those other religions and their ethnic makeups to what exists in the US (where I live; your Profile says you reside in Hell, which is unlikely, so I don't know how things are where you live). After all, those countries have a scarce minority population, while the US is a melting pot of hugely varying ethnicities and respective cultures.