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Old 05-17-2007, 08:51 PM   #1
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All budding physicists, try this out:

y''' - 2y'' - y' + 2y = 2x^2 - 6x +4

y(0) = 5
y'(0) = -5
y''(0) = 1

Too lazy to think of a physical model... maybe an electrical circuit if it helps.
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:34 AM   #2
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I would have said 17 = 4x +4 but I doubt thats even close,
I might be absoulotley blind as I usally am for a friday night but I dout anyone will figure that out....
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:28 PM   #3
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Maybe I was a bit too vague...it's a third order, nonhomogeneous, ordinary differential equation. I've given three initial conditions. The solution is in the form of y = f(x).
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:48 PM   #4
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All budding physicists, try this out:

y''' - 2y'' - y' + 2y = 2x^2 - 6x +4

y(0) = 5
y'(0) = -5
y''(0) = 1

Too lazy to think of a physical model... maybe an electrical circuit if it helps.
Jesus H. Christ, you brought physics into the forums
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:14 AM   #5
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gimme a couple of days to figure it out cuz i'm really busy with other stuff atm. don't post the answer yet. (:
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I would have said 17 = 4x +4 but I doubt thats even close,
I might be absoulotley blind as I usally am for a friday night but I dout anyone will figure that out....

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tell me if this is right.

y = (1/30)x^5 - (1/4)x^4 + (2/3)x^3 + 4x^2 -16x + 5
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tell me if this is right.

y = (1/30)x^5 - (1/4)x^4 + (2/3)x^3 + 4x^2 -16x + 5

That's what I came up with too.
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That's what I came up with too.
O RLY?
then you wouldn't mind posting your working out
i.e. how did you come to that answer
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Old 05-19-2007, 03:16 PM   #10
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Well...I'd like to see how you got that answer, Fearless. I'm glad to see someone actually made it that far lol. Not bad though....

As for the work involved:

General solution of this problem would be:
yh = ae^-x + be^x + ce^2x.

Now all we need is a yp. So we try a quadratic:
yp = Kx^2 + Mx + N
y'p = 2Kx + M
y''p = 2K
y'''p = 0

Then we substitute:

-2 * 2K - (2Kx + M) + 2(Kx^2 + Mx + N) = 2x^2 - 6x + 4

If we rearrange and equate like powers...we'll get something like this:

2Kx^2 = 2x^2, (-2K +2M)x = -6x, and -4K - M + 2N = 4

So we get K = 1, M = -2, and N = 3.

And remembering that yh + yp = y, we get:

y = ae^-x + be^x + ce^2x + x^2 - 2x + 3
y' =
-ae^-x + be^x + 2ce^2x + 2x - 2
y' = ae^-x + be^x + 4ce^2x + 2

Now, we have to set x=0 and use the ICs.

y(0) = a + b + c + 3 = 5
y'(0) = -a + b + 2c - 2 = -5
y''(0) = a + b + 4c + 2 = 1

I'll spare the Gaussian elimination...

a = 2, b = 1, c = -1

So finally, our answer becomes:

y = 2e^-x + e^x - e^2x + x^2 - 2x + 3

Finally...btw anyone know how to put superscripts in? "sup" tags?
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