Go Back   #1 Chat Avenue Message Boards > Other Forums > Science and Technology
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Gallery Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
No longer nine planets.
Old 05-29-2007, 12:18 AM   #1
Charmed™
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,326
Charmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond repute
Default No longer nine planets.

Grabbed this Article from GizMag



The solar system no longer has nine planets

}

from Inventors and Remarkable People (90 articles)
February 8, 2006 Since 1930 when American Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto, schoolchildren have been taught that Planet Earth is one of nine planets which orbit the sun, and that Pluto is the outermost planet in the solar system. Then last July 30, an American team found a more distant and quite large object circling the sun some 15 billion kilometers beyond earth. Dubbed UB313, an enormous debate has erupted over whether it should be classified as the tenth planet. More fuel was added to the debate last week when a group lead by Bonn astrophysicists determined that this putative planet is bigger than Pluto. By measuring its thermal emission, the scientists were able to determine a diameter of about 3000 km, which makes it 700 km larger than Pluto and thereby marks it as the largest solar system object found since the discovery of Neptune in 1846. For the last six months, many astronomers have argued that UB313 should be classified as a Kuiperbelt object (KBO) but Pluto is also in the Kuiper belt, and the revelations about its size will weigh heavily when the special 19-member panel set up by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) determines exactly what constitutes a planet. Either way, the official planetary count will no longer be nine.
Like Pluto, 2003 UB313 is one of the icy bodies in the so-called Kuiper belt that swarms beyond Neptune. It is the most distant object ever seen in the Solar System. Its very elongated orbit takes it up to 97 times farther from the Sun than is the Earth - almost twice as far as the most distant point of Pluto's orbit – so that it takes twice as long as Pluto to go around the Sun.
When it was first seen, UB313 appeared to be at least as big as Pluto, but an accurate estimate of its size was not possible without knowing how reflective it was. A team lead by Prof. Frank Bertoldi from the University of Bonn and the Max-Planck-Institute for Radioastronomy (MPIfR) and the MPIfR's Dr. Wilhelm Altenhoff has now resolved this problem by using measurements of the amount of heat UB313 radiates to determine its size, which when combined with the optical observations also allows them to determine its reflectivity. "Since UB313 is decidedly larger than Pluto," Frank Bertoldi remarks, "it is now increasingly hard to justify calling Pluto a planet if UB313 is not also given this status."
UB313 was discovered in January 2005 by Prof. Mike Brown and his colleagues from the Californian Institute of Technology in a sky survey using a wide field digital camera that searches for distant minor planets at visible wavelengths. They discovered a slowly moving, spatially unresolved source, the apparent speed of which allowed them to determine its distance and orbital shape. However, they were not able to determine the size of the object, although from its optical brightness it was believed to be larger than Pluto.
Astronomers have found small planetary object beyond the orbits of Neptune and Pluto since 1992, confirming a then 40-year old prediction by astronomers Kenneth Edgeworth (1880-1972) and Gerard P. Kuiper (1905-1973) for the existence of a belt of smaller planetary objects beyond Neptune. The so-called Kuiper Belt contains objects left from the formation of our planetary system some 4.5 billion years ago. In their distant orbits they were able to survive the gravitational clean-up of similar objects by the large planets in the inner solar system. Some Kuiper Belt objects are still occasionally deflected to then enter the inner solar system and may appear as short period comets.
In optically visible light, the solar system objects are visible through the light they reflect from the Sun. Thereby the apparent brightness depends on their size as well as on the surface reflectivity. Latter is known to vary between 4% for most comets to over 50% for Pluto, which makes any accurate size determination from the optical light alone impossible.
The Bonn group therefore used the IRAM 30-meter telescope in Spain, equipped with the sensitive Max-Planck Millimeter Bolometer (MAMBO) detector developed and built at the MPIfR, to measure the heat radiation of UB313 at a wavelength of 1.2 mm, where reflected sunlight is negligible and the object brightness only depends on the surface temperature and the object size. The temperature can be well estimated from the distance to the sun, and thus the observed 1.2 mm brightness allows a good size measurement. One can further conclude that the UB313 surface is such that it reflects about 60% of the incident solar light, which is very similar to the reflectivity of Pluto.
"The discovery of a solar system object larger than Pluto is very exciting," Dr. Altenhoff exclaims, who has researched minor planets and comets for decades. "It tells us that Pluto, who should properly also be counted to the Kuiper Belt, is not such an unusual object. Maybe we can find even other small planets out there, which could teach us more about how the solar system formed and evolved. The Kuiper Belt objects are the debris from its formation, an archeological site containing pristine remnants of the solar nebula, from which the sun and the planets formed." Dr. Altenhoff made the pioneering discovery of heat radiation from Pluto in 1988 with a predecessor of the current detector at the IRAM 30-meter telescope.
The size measurement of 2003 UB313 is published in the 2 February 2006 issue of Nature. The research team includes Prof. Dr. Frank Bertoldi (Bonn University and MPIfR), Dr. Wilhelm Altenhoff (MPIfR), Dr. Axel Weiss (MPIfR), Prof. Dr. Karl M. Menten (MPIfR), and Dr. Clemens Thum (IRAM).


Edit: Yes I know this is old news, but its really kewl reading up on it.

Last edited by Charmed™; 05-29-2007 at 12:21 AM.
Charmed™ is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 05-29-2007, 01:20 AM   #2
Blindsided.
prawn phisher
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Pennsylvania.
Posts: 10,337
Blindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond reputeBlindsided. has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Incase you didn't know and were just saying that you knew.. THIS IS OLD NEWS! Everyone at school was upset about Pluto. I used to aspire to be an astronaut (I was 6 years old) but Pluto was my favorite.
__________________
Blindsided. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 02:49 AM   #3
Charmed™
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,326
Charmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Yeah I know...its kinda sad/freaky about that though....I know that they are still in talks about upgrading all the school books......The sites with solar system information still haven't upgraded yet....


So even though this is old news, no one has bothered to make changes to make sure that it has been noticed.
Charmed™ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 07:26 AM   #4
Cat
Adult Chat Admin/UM
 
Cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: In a Cloud of Farts
Posts: 19,552
Blog Entries: 1
Cat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hell even I knew this.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenna
I'm not looking for mods so dont ask.
In other words "Get Lost!!!"
Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 09:37 AM   #5
Dark Vamp
Silver Member
 
Dark Vamp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: /dev/null/
Posts: 5,807
Blog Entries: 2
Dark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond reputeDark Vamp has a reputation beyond repute
Default

My Very Easy Method Just Shows Us Nine...


Its just screwed up



liek, wtf nine what?



my favourite was and still is saturn


second largest planet, they cant fire it as well
__________________

Dark Vamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 10:21 AM   #6
The Girl From Ipanema
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,030
The Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond reputeThe Girl From Ipanema has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Yeah I knew about this back in September, but it's nice to see it posted so thanks for posting?

I dont see why people are getting up your ass about it just because its old news but whatever.
The Girl From Ipanema is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 04:51 PM   #7
йіĝђŧмąяε
G-tOwN eMo KiDz
 
йіĝђŧмąяε's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Out There Somewhere.
Posts: 10,571
йіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond reputeйіĝђŧмąяε has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Lol, that was like 5 months ago, the only reason it wasn't is because it is way to small and can be mistaken for a comet, simple smarts.
__________________
G-Town Emo Kids
йіĝђŧмąяε is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 05:49 PM   #8
Charmed™
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,326
Charmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond reputeCharmed™ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Vamp View Post
My Very Easy Method Just Shows Us Nine...


Its just screwed up



liek, wtf nine what?



my favourite was and still is saturn


second largest planet, they cant fire it as well
Yeah, Saturn has always been my fav planet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Girl From Ipanema View Post
Yeah I knew about this back in September, but it's nice to see it posted so thanks for posting?

I dont see why people are getting up your ass about it just because its old news but whatever.
Thanks hun...and YW...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firey Flames View Post
Lol, that was like 5 months ago, the only reason it wasn't is because it is way to small and can be mistaken for a comet, simple smarts.
Yeah, I've heard that one over at NASA's website.


Also, even though this is extremely old news, it really is fascinating to read up on everything.

There is so many questions.....like What made Pluto change its orbit? Can the belt that Pluto joined contain life? <<I heard from NASA's website that there is a Planet in the belt that contains a similar "Earth" that is 2 times smaller with its own moon aswell.
Charmed™ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 07:40 PM   #9
Luka
John O' Scots.
 
Luka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: City Of Wonder.
Posts: 38,731
Luka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond reputeLuka has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Still aliens on Earth though.
__________________

'Cause we were both young, when I first saw you.
Luka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2007, 07:44 PM   #10
Cat
Adult Chat Admin/UM
 
Cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: In a Cloud of Farts
Posts: 19,552
Blog Entries: 1
Cat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond reputeCat has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Eтεяйαl Flαмε.- View Post
Still aliens on Earth though.
No Basil, the aliens returned to their own planet and left the rejects on earth.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenna
I'm not looking for mods so dont ask.
In other words "Get Lost!!!"
Cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 1999-2009 - #1 Chat Avenue - Free chat rooms for adults, gays, kids, singles, teens and more.